Look man either pay them or learn art yourself to feed your fat fetish.
bitch 40 for lineart should be the standard, art is a damn luxury and some of these artists need food
@ whatever greyshades is these days, Like I said, they’re kids who don’t know how to haggle.
>Lineart – 2 hours for pencils, 1-2 hours for lines = 3 hours at $40
>$40/3(aprox) = $13/hr – paypal fees and bank transfer fees = 10/hr
>Colour – 2 hours for pencils, 1- 2 hours for lines, 3-6 hours for colour = aprox 9 hours at $120
>$120/9 = 13/hr – paypal fees and bank transfer fees = 10/hr
Art is an extremely specialised skillset that takes anywhere from 5-20 years to develop, costs around 500 minimum entry to be able to create digital art due to requiring a tablet and software, along with enough RAM to run high-layer drawings depending on your program. Thinking you have any reason or right to haggle with someone because you don’t like their prices is some entitled shit my friend. You don’t walk into an autoshop and try to barter with them for their hourly wage and their parts cost, why the fuck would you do it in something else? It’s capitalism, if you don’t like it, don’t buy it but don’t think you have a right to special treatment.
I guarantee you we’d charge hourly if that was a possible standard but because the industry has no standards peope have to charge what will sell and that is ultimately much lower than it really should. Especially considering most of us have standards against drawing furry mpreg vore.
People don’t realize just how cheap commissioned art online actually is. Most of the time you pay the artists minimum wage.
Just think about that for a second.
>500 bucks for a computer used for drawing
Since when do you need an RX 580 to draw? And i really doubt you’d need more than 8GB of ram either, which is standard.
Alot of artists work off shit laptops, myself excluded. The issue is tablets, a good one of which will run you 250 minimum, and the cheapest monitor tablet on the market is a 9" for $520CAD. This in addition to between 50-200 for drawing software, if not included with your tablet can be prohibitively expensive. CSP goes on sale semi-frequently but is still an investment and investments in your business need to be factored into cost of the service provided. In addition, programs like SAI use line smoothing, a CPU intensive process that depending on how much of your computer is working on a streaming program as well as 30+ layers on a 4000×3000 canvas can cause harsh slowdowns and make such tools worthless without a powerful enough computer. Once again ignoring rendering times for 3d artists.
Realistically most artists are working well below minimum wage depending on their country of residence and need things like Patreon to survive, or to keep a steady job on the side. This isn’t a skill you go to school for four years and are workable and hireable, this is a skill that is unique and takes decades to develop into something that you can pay the bills with. Artists are an extremely specialised field and skillset and should be treated as such.
And once again, you don’t like it, don’t buy it you entitled cunt. We get to deal with manchildren and entitled babies that we often don’t have the luxury of saying no to. Do you really want to compare asking for a used table at a swap meet to asking someone to spend ten hours drawing your furry OC taking ten cocks in the ass?
I rarely reblog but this stuff is true.
I started from scratch with a shit computer, shit tablet and shit screen, and have slowly worked from there thanks to commissioners a small few who gave their goodwill to support me and get where I am right now. Most of the time I get paid slightly above higher than the minimum wage for portuguese standards, which are very low, but I would never survive in other countries outside Portugal. EVER.
PS: You do need more than 8gb of ram to draw nowadays without wanting to have your computer shit itself with photoshop alone.
I don’t have anything else to add. Tammdraws dropped the mic on this.
Thought I’d add my own two cents into this.
As a professional artist, I can attest to the time and effort it took to become “good at art” (as friends and family tell me). It took even longer, 5 years minimum, to actually start getting people who wanted to commission me for my style of art.
It’s as the saying goes: “It takes me 10 minutes to an hour to draw you a sketch, but it took 5-10 years of my life to be able to get to this point in which you’d WANT to buy a sketch from me.” (Well… that saying is worded differently everywhere, but the point still stands!)
As everyone else said, art is a luxury. It makes life more appealing and can speak with more words than a regular body of text (which, as an author, I can attest to this. (Not saying authors do not have merit. They’re quite astounding in how they formulate words to create a story.)) Both of these art forms took time to perfect. It took a tenacious attitude and constant support from friends and family to become the artist that people know them for.
If you, or anyone else, wants to tell an artist that their hard work is worth LESS than the gold they see it for, then I suggest you look in a mirror and punch the person staring back at you. Clearly, whoever is in that mirror needs to understand common decency, social etiquette, and the basics of human kindness.
Artists are not pitiful lowly creatures that do your bidding. They are living, breathing people who deserve respect for doing something you cannot do, and doing it WELL enough to be paid the price they have their art set at.
FINALLY: Let the artist decide what their art is worth. If they want your opinion, they will ask it. Don’t assume you’re right in your judgement of price, because you can only speak for yourself, and NOBODY else.
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